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MMA Standing Self Defense Moves : How to Counter a Standing Haymaker Drill

MMA Standing Self Defense Moves : How to Counter a Standing Haymaker Drill


JASON JEANETTE: Hi. I’m Jason Jeanette. This
Daniel Klapheke from Elite Martial Arts of Middle Tennessee for Expert Village. This
is a haymaker counter punch drill. All right, here we go. On this drill, all we’re doing
is practicing hook covers against just random haymakers, it’s just sucker punch type of
thing, and then immediate counter punches depending on which side he threw which side
I block and loaded which leg. So he’ll throw–let’s say if he throws the right, trying to hit
my head and I’m just grabbing the back of my head. Your students will want to do this;
they want to hold it out in a way. I just always explain to them if I was going to go
buy a motorcycle helmet I wouldn’t buy one that flops around in my head. I’d buy one
that fits snug and tight. They should be able to take the hardest swings that he’s got with
a nice tight hook cover this way. Also it takes care of–if he throw in a straight punch,
the same side, I’m taking care of the same thing. So I only need to worry about which
side he’s punching with it not what punch. So here covering, now my right leg’s loaded
up so I’ll throw my right cross, left hook, right cross again. It could be anything, it
could be elbow, any combination you’d like and then he’s just randomly throwing. He might
throw the left next; cover now, my left leg’s loaded so I’ll counter with the left hook,
right cross, left hook. And try it your students will want to go right, left, right, left.
We want to break up the rhythm. And then I want them to throw 2 rights in a row, 3 and
totally random which side he’s going with so I’m getting good practice.

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100 thoughts on “MMA Standing Self Defense Moves : How to Counter a Standing Haymaker Drill

  1. dont waste your time bro…krav is unrealistic…you cannot truly account for all movement of a combatant unless he is on the ground…its freking impossible…

  2. @layups I completely 100% agree with you. Technique is only one part of making a great fighter. However, a street fight is not MMA. MMA involves martial arts and athletic ability, street fights involve self defense and common sense. It's possible to survive an onslaught against Silva, Lesnar, Emelianenko, and Liddel at the same time if you are smart, quick, and truely ready to fight for your life with whatever means necessary.

  3. @Radbandy I would argue that big country is a much better athlete than his appearance portrays. Roy Nelson is stronger, quicker, and has better cardio than many of his opponents along with his fighting skills.

  4. @layups here here-in my kickboxing class-all the athletic/fit people with only 2-3 months experience can spar with senior grades and in some cases,beat them-speed and strength>technique imfao

  5. @martjalartistvannabe -Track and field is a sport of events involving running, jumping, and throwing. It is about who has finished faster, jumped higher, thrown farther.
    I meant that people should run away from a street fight. Fight for money or go to a gym if you are a badass.
    BJ Penn, Lyoto Machida, Shogun rua, Fabricio Werdum, Fedor, etc don't get in street fights.
    Doctor Ruth says, "violence is an expression of sexual frustration".

  6. @layups Without meaning to be rude thats pretty obvious!The same also goes for athleticism aswell though,you can be the most gifted athlete around but if you have zero technique its going to catch up with you!Anyway a good example of someone who isnt a great 'Athlete' but yet very gifted in his field is Damien Maia.He isnt a great athlete but his knowledge of the technical details of Bjj are outstanding and have led to him being one of the BJJ practioners in the world!

  7. @BoxingBadBoy77 -Demian Maia has been practicing martial arts since the age of 4.
    Maia is from a wealthy family and was afforded premier instruction throughout his life.
    I don't know what your definition of "great athlete" is but Maia fits the bill with his elite coordination.
    Maia is strong too, he threw Sonnen wit Judo and then subd him wit a triangle.
    Maia was born with natural skill, received elite coaching, and became a multiple world champion; great athlete. Da proof is in the pudding.

  8. @layups Well its not easy to tell what your definition of an elite athlete is?Personally my definition of a great athlete would be Anderson Silva who is very fast,very flexible and has great coordination.When Anderson fought demian the gulf in speed,etc was embarrasing!I wouldnt say Maia is particularily a great athlete he's just a guy who has studied the technique for years and has mastered it!For instance in boxing my definition of great athletes would be guys like Roy jones jr in his prime.

  9. @BoxingBadBoy77 – Athletes are defined as 'those who partcipate in [physical] contests'.
    Greatness is a concept of a state of superiority affecting a person wen 1 has a clear and perceivable advantage
    Balance, coordination, speed, reflexes, strength, and stamina are aspects of athleticism
    Maia is a great athlete despite his speed deficit against Silva. Not every great athlete is fast. Maia didn't even learn BJJ until he was 19. Plenty of people master BJJ but they don't have Maias physical tools

  10. @BoxingBadBoy77 – search youtube for 'ryo chonan vs anderson silva heel hook' to see two different styles of athleticism.
    The gulf in speed was embarrassing along with the gulf in ground skills/coordination.

    Q: Who is the better athlete/fighter? Tiger or monkey?
    A: It depends on where they fight. The monkey won't lose if the fight takes place in the tree.

  11. @koflan -Thanks, there are a lot of people that are just angry at themselves and the anonymity of the internet doesn't help with their social interactions.
    It's easy to spout hate but hard to be constructive.
    Topics like fighting brings everyone into the fold, from ignorant to the enlightened.

  12. @MayhemEA – I think you are confusing the terms "equipment" and "technique". Using wheels versus pushing is not a technical difference, it is an equipment difference.

  13. @layups Call me a pussy or girl or whatever. But if someone on the street is trying to kill me by choking me pulling out a knife, anybody can kick someone to the groin any one can gouge someone in the eye or punch someone in the throat. After these techniques are performed anybody is able to take down or throw anybody. So no you don't need to be athletic to fight. The most important trait one should have is courage and confidence. Remember "self-defense" is different from the octagon.

  14. @urfaceismessed -ANYONE can kick someone to the groin, gouge, throat punch, etc but VERY FEW have the ability to DEFEND the techniques you mentioned.
    One must have a technical or physical advantage, or both, to defend.
    Offense is easy, defending is difficult.
    Compensation is the most important factor.
    The rabbit has no offense and very little technical skill but its speed and lack of "courage/confidence" give it a great "self-defense".

  15. @MasonBaer – GOOGLE things before you write comments.
    200 lb javelin thrower? Are you stupid or just ignorant? 200 lbs is small for an elite javelin thrower. Andreas Thorkildsen -6ft 3 -205lbs (recorded seasons best in 2006, 2008,2009), Tero Pitkämäki (2005 season best) 195 cm / 92 kg, Breaux Greer-6ft-3in, 230lbs (2007 seasons best).

    I NEVER said that a RUNNER could get into a FIGHT and WIN.
    You need to work on your reading comprehension.
    The runner will not lose if they run away.

  16. @layups fighting is a physical skill that requires BOTH technique and athleticism. Therefore you can not win a fight purely on of athleticism

    No matter how big and strong you are if you do not know how to use a technique (even something as simple as a punch) you are a useless in fight. There has to be a technique to utilize all that athleticism.

    And from my experience skill beats power. Just look at all of the older UFCs. More Specifically Royce Gracie Vs. Kimo Leopoldo. It's on Youtube

  17. @matticusman -People should run away from street fights; a 100meter dash is a viable defense.

    Heavyweight produces the most amount of fights where a fighter can win using athleticism and limited skill.

    Who has better 'boxing skills'…Penn or Edgar…De la Hoya or Pacquiaou?
    Speed kills and doesn't require skill it depends on nature and nurture.

    Most elite mma fighters were also successful competitve athletes, often in a variety of sports, hence their propensity for cross/mix training.

  18. @beargrylls3- Skill beats strength. Skill does not beat speed and power.

    Power is work divided by time. Speed is distance divided by time.

    Just look at the new UFC's and modern MMA and usually the smaller more skillful guy in a fight loses.
    More specifically Royce Gracie vs Matt Hughes or skillful, lazy BJ Penn losing to speedy Edgar, skillful Couture losing to powerful Lesnar.

  19. @layups But if pure speed and power beat pure skill then a guy could just run really fast at his opponent and win. The reason that doesn't work is because running is not a fighting skill. No matter how fast and powerfully he runs if it is not channeled into a technique it is useless.

  20. @layups Hughes used superior grappling skills to defeat Gracie. Ironically the armbar he used was a Gracie technique . Edgar was indeed faster but his striking skills were clearly better. and he used his wrestling skill to avoid BJ's superior ground skills.

    The punch that knocked Randy down leading to the end of the fight was not exceptionally fast or powerful, Randy just didn't avoid it. Avoiding punches is another skill that is more muscle memory and technique than athleticism.

  21. @beargrylls3 -My comments are referring to literally running away from street fights and the fact that many keyboard warriors neglect the athletic requirements that go into fighting.

    "But if pure speed and power beat pure skill then a guy could just run really fast at his opponent and win."

    I never stated that power and speed alone beat skill.

    A person can run really fast and not lose is my point.

    Skill does not beat speed and power. Speed kills.

  22. @beargrylls3 – " Ironically the armbar he used was a Gracie technique."

    The armlock from side mount that Matt Hughes attempted to submit Gracie with was not a 'Gracie technique'. Judo, jiu-jitsu, wrestling, and catch wrestling all illustrate the same move and have for many years.
    "Gracie jiu jitsu" has a specific instruction format and the progressions of students.

    Hughes was a disciple of Jeremy Horn, who has no BJJ black belt, and Horn was a disciple of a professional wrestler.

  23. @yellowmon123 – Look up Renzo, Cesar, Rolles, etc Gracie's records and see how many times those black belts in jiu jitsu lose to a person with less than impressive grappling credentials.

    Just because one fighter has a "black belt in jiu jitsu" does not mean they will "murk" their opponent.
    It is impossible to make absolute statements about who beats who. Fighting is not rock, paper, scissors.

    Athletic ability, energy level, and conditioning enhance one's skill set.

  24. @layups When i said it was a Gracie technique i meant it is part of the system. Good point though. But i think you are missing my point here. I'm not saying jujitsu is the best skill or art, my point is that you can not win a fight based purely on athletic ability. Hughes used a fighting technique, not a track and field technique, or a power clean, or a sprint.

  25. @layups well if your point is that speed and power allow you to get away then i agree. but I was responding to your original post that said "the opponent can beat you purely on athleticism" And at the end of your post you say speed kills. So what is your argument? That speed and power beat skill? or that speed and power allow you to run away?

  26. "Athleticism" has characteristics such as flexibility, strength, endurance, energy, and explosive coordination.

    Technique is only part of what one needs to be successful in athletics.

    There are countless great technicians in athletics such as basketball, football, tennis, swimming, mma, etc that can't compete at a high level because of a lack of physical ability.

    Armbars and kicks can be taught; speed and size cannot be taught.

  27. @beargrylls3 -Gracie used plenty of fighting techniques as well during his fight with Hughes but he was overpowered, old, and probably got tired.

    Hughes used wrestling, weight cutting to his advantage, cardio, strength, endurance, energy, , and explosive coordination to pound out Gracie and get his TKO victory.

    Hughes vs Renzo Gracie? Renzo had no chance against the better athlete.

  28. @layups Okay so your argument has changed again. so you are saying that weight cutting, "energy", and wrestling helped him win? So size power and wrestling skill? You're point is not coherent. you went from "Pure athleticism wins fights" to "Speed and power wins fights" to "speed and power allow you to get away" to this now. And saying that his wrestling allowed him to win is in agreement with my argument. Wrestling is a skill.

  29. @layups Hughes used his skill to make sure he was in a better position the whole fight. Positioning skills help win fights. Hughes used this strategic fact to his advantage. And if you ever have somebody teach you the guard passes he did or how he flattened him out at the end you will find they do not require speed and power if done correctly, like Hughes did them. The take downs he used do require a certain amount of power but not any more than a healthy male is capable of, if done correctly.

  30. @beargrylls3 -All of the technique in the world will not make you flexible like BJ Penn, or fast as Anderson Silva, strong like Brock, etc.

    Fighting requires a good athletic base, otherwise the opponent can just beat you on characteristics of athleticism (endurance, energy, explosive coordination, speed, power, etc).

    Everyone who fights knows armbars and how to punch. You can't teach speed, size, coordination.

  31. @beargrylls3 -Is "Skill" the reason why Hughes beat Ricardo Almeida and Jeremy Horn at Abu Dhabi Combat Club competitions but yet lost to Jeff Monson and Tito Ortiz?

    Are Monson and Tito more skilled than Hughes?
    Go PLAY some sports and watch who the most successful athletes are; Maybe you'll learn something.

  32. @layups Still misunderstanding my argument and the last statement is irrelevant. Arm bars and punches are only two techniques that deal with very specific situations in a fight. A fighter has to have a full understanding of what options he has in different positions relative to his opponent. And there are so many different ways to throw a punch or do an arm bar. And it takes skill to do them effectively. Go try an arm bar. You will find it is not easy and your vertical jump doesn't help at all.

  33. @layups I'm pretty sure Almeida is a great athlete. Hughes caught Almeda with a left hook then submitted him with an arm-in-guillotine. That is not endurance or power, that is timing and skill. And what are you suggesting? Tito, Hughes and Monson have spent their whole lives working on their skills. When they work power and endurance it is supplementary. If it wasn't than Olympic lifters and strongman competitors would all be MMA champions. In reality all MMA champions grew up training skills.

  34. @layups I have been playing sports for 13 years. Only recently got into MMA. In my first week of training i went against a kid who was half a foot shorter than me and 50 pounds lighter. I could bench, squat, power clean twice as much as this kid and jump 10 inches higher. Did not help at all. He out grappled and out pointed me in striking. he used his understanding of position and his skills to beat me every time. Go fight somebody who has more skills than you; Maybe you'll learn something.

  35. I've gotten my ass kicked plenty of times by guys smaller and "weaker" than me.

    Im not trying to make a "blank" vs skill argument.

    People should RUN AWAY from STREET FIGHTS and technique isn't everything in sports

    I bet the guy who was shorter than you was also a better athlete than you. He was probably faster, more coordinated, endurance, flexibility,experience,etc.

    Bench, squat, and power clean numbers have little to do with functional athletics; the vertical jump # is somewhat relative

  36. @beargrylls3 – A person can be 5% more effective in finishing an arm bar if they improve their grip strength and lactic acid clearance ability is my argument.

    I was suggesting that Hughes could not beat Tito and Monson in ADCC grappling because their techniques are somewhat equal but their physiques are not.
    Hughes dominated Almeida during ADCC and he won using the same front headlock DaveSchultz used in 84 olympics.

  37. @layups

    Yes and all of those men you mentioned became the way they are by training. If you stretch everyday, and train jiu-jitsu as long as BJ Penn, you will become as flexible as him. If you train Muay Thai as long as Anderson Silva, you will become as fast as him. If you take steroids and hit the gym as often as Brock you will also become as strong as him.
    Also this video gives a novice at MMA at good fundament base at defending a knockout punch.

  38. @19link93 -This is a great drill for working with the mitts; it is questionable whether this drill is great for 'defense'.

    "If you stretch everyday, and train jiu-jitsu as long as BJ Penn, you will become as flexible as him."

    At 17 BJ learned bjj from Tom Callos, in 1997 BJ started bjj training with Ralph Gracie, 2000 Penn was awarded his blackbelt by Andre Pederneiras and weeks later was the first non-Brazilian to win the blackbelt division.

    All it takes is ~4 years and I'm as good as BJ?

  39. @19link93 " If you train Muay Thai as long as Anderson Silva, you will become as fast as him."

    That is physiologically impossible. No amount of training or supplements will change my slow twitch muscle percentage to equal that of Silva, plus everyone's body structure is unique.
    I can learn the same techniques of Silva and I could be 'technically' superior to him in theory, but Anderson would still maintain his tendon amount, fast/slow twitch muscle ratio, physical advantage, etc.

  40. @layups You are making a blank vs. skill statement in your first comment which you keep deviating from instead of acknowledging you are changing it. He's not faster than me, he's not more flexible than me, he was more coordinated than me in particular movements. He developed that coordination by training skills. And he never outworked me, he would beat me before endurance was a factor. Endurance, although important, is just insurance for a string of failed techniques that leave you tired.

  41. @layups If you had ever done an arm bar correctly you would know your hips hold the arm in place not your grip. Your grip just pulls the lower arm towards your chest, if it is set up correctly it should not take a lot of strength. If you hold the arm bar so long that your lactic acid clearance is a factor without breaking it, you are doing it wrong. And saying he used the front headlock Dave Schultz used is supporting my argument. It's a technique!

  42. @layups Bench and squat are very important to athletic ability. If you disagree you can take it up with the strength and conditioning coaches of Frankie Edger, Brock Lesnar, GSP, and Anderson Silva. And the power clean is probably more important. Explosive opening and closing of the hip is what makes you jump high, run fast, kick hard, and take people down. That is why Olympic athletes have some of the best high jump and sprint stats out of all athletes.

  43. "Olympic athletes have some of the best high jump and sprint stats."
    They're not powerlifters. Bench and squat deliver almost no indication of sporting ability
    " All strength changes that "are supposed to influence" strength, power, and speed should be attained prior to the development of the movement patterns associated with that capacity in a sport. It should be realized that if strength training is performed at the wrong time in the annual training program it will not benefit performance."

  44. @beargrylls3 " I could bench, squat, power clean twice as much as this kid and jump 10 inches higher."

    Could you please find me an article or even a reference by ANY mma/athletic trainer that implies that the standard bench press would have any positive impact on MMA performance? Who is Anderson Silva's strength and conditioning coach?
    Thanks

  45. @layups "Squats, deadlifts, bench presses, power cleans; the basics, combined with some sprinting and some stretching. It may not be glamorous, but it makes you stronger and faster." This quote is from Martin Rooney, MMA strength and conditioning coach who has trained Franky Edgar. The internet article containing the quote is called “11 Myths of Warrior Training” should be the first link if you type that into Google.

  46. @layups If you search for “TFW Body weight Challenge Champion Frankie Edgar” on youtube, you will find a video of Martin Rooney showing an athletic test with Franky Edgar. He uses the standard bench press as a strength standard.

  47. @layups GSP’s Strength and conditioning coach, Jonathan Chaimberg, has GSP and other top UFC fighters do dumbbell bench presses. He even recommends them in his internet article “Training Athletes and the General Population” You can see GSP doing them on the youtube video “Jonathan Chaimber Training Session with GSP, Loiseau and Kang” What is interesting about this is that GSP Loiseau and Kang all have the same trainer and similar athletic abilities, but only GSP has been really successful.

  48. @layups Anderson Silva’s strength and conditioning coach is Rogerio Camoes. In the Youtube video “UFC – All Access: Anderson Silva Part 1” You can see him having Silva doing smith machine bench presses.

  49. @layups Okay, so you admit that power cleans are important. And you whoever the your quote is from is supporting my argument that strength is important to some extent. I can also get references saying that the squat is important to athletic ability in addition to all these on the bench press. I'm enjoying this argument =D, you are really making me think.

  50. Lots of successful fighters seem to throw haymakers, it makes no sense… Well not many, Fedor is the main one though… His opponents should have watched this video.

  51. @Svittidiu Ahaha .. coming from the guy who commented i quote " But i always tought(?!) that you should keep your mouth closed to help you concentrate?" … Probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard. GTFO

  52. @matticusman – I have never met someone who is, "fast as lightning", but if I do I will have a better response to your comment.
    Where did I write speed does not require sill? Please quote me.
    "and you say speed doesn't require skill, anything does, even a fast runner can trip if they suck at running,"
    SPEED is a SCALAR QUANTITY, meters per second, 4 kilometers per hour, 10 meters per second.

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  54. Its great, i use the same motorcycle analogy with my young students as well! .Great work guys.

    Coach Mark- aztigermma

    Isn't it funny how people either get the concept of shielding (if they train) or not, and some schools still teach "traditional blocks" as the primary defense.

  55. @Fuze107 That is only you connect. Chances are you might hit his elbows or front of his head. In this case, you just broke your hand and the other guy is perfectly fresh.

  56. True, if you have gloves on. If not, a straight punch to the other guys face will probably break your hand, especially if you hit his teeth.

  57. Stop watching dumb shit on yt and go to a gym you will quikly find how stupid a palm strike is. You can only break your hand if you punch wrong, or hit the wrong place.

  58. On the street you'll hit in the wrong place and you won't have gloves on. I have no training in mma but have in krav maga and I've been in real fights so I know a thing or two about that. Don't just attack me like that man, you said it's retarded in 99% of situations, I'm saying that 1% is on the street without gloves on when punching in the face. I know this is youtube but I'm actually not trying to be superior or rude, just the opposite, so you please don't either!

  59. If you're really close it's excellent, besides, on such a short distance a straight punch couldn't even be done. Also, you can't do a hammerfist on a longer distance. And for the shortest distance there's always the elbow!

  60. Yeah well to be honest i have no respect for karv manga, people with a high level have come to Muay Thai and MMA and been suprised when they get walked over. Even in the beggining of the UFC that was one of the styles which were shown for what they are, so don't worry about being superior.

  61. As for this video I agree with the return combo and the drill for haymakers but the placement of the trainers hands for the hook are completely off and someone needs to teach that guy how to stay on his axis when he punches as well.

  62. thank you for subtitling it, I am grateful. I do have a question: What is good defense, against a rush flurry attack? My opinion is when you cover yourself up, you gotta apply pressure against the punches, with your forearms (which are covereing your head).. Like a coach mitt applies pressure during a punch to prevent the coach mitt from hitting the head, same with a thai pad- you gotta let your forearms push against the attacks as you cover yourself.

  63. Not so sure about blocking with you arm flush against your head. Like that, almost all of the energy from the punch will transfer through to your head. We keep the arm tight and just an inch or two off of the head so that the arm takes the grand majority of the blow. What little energy might get through does little to no damage. When I first started training, I made the mistake of putting my arm flush against my head and almost got knocked out.

  64. Best defense against a flurry:

    1. Footwork (angles, sidestep), then counter
    2. Side kick
    3. Push kick

    If these do not work, tuck chin, cover up and keep you head moving while looking for an opening to counter. Counter, then continue to punch/kick your way out forcing your attacker to retreat.

    OR

    Tuck chin, cover up and circle out while maintaining head movement. Let your attacker "gas out", then launch counterattack (or RUN!).

    Easier said than done, so TRAIN! TRAIN! TRAIN!

  65. Nothing to do with the jaw, I was kicked in the arm (covering my head) with a high round kick by my 265 lb sparring partner. All that energy transferred right through my guard. This is greatly lessened when the guard is just off the head. But, by all means, Stiffonda, block/cover however you wish. My guess is you've never done any hard sparring anyway. You wouldn't be trolling here if you had. I post this for those who take their combat sports seriously.

    Say "NO" to trolls!

  66. Haha don't take it so seriously mate I was just joking! If there's a glass jaw here it's me . I've been knocked out twice in sparring. I actually train BJJ and a bit of MMA and boxing.

  67. I got hit in the temple by a big guy: 6'1 290lbs. I'm 6'1 197lbs and I didn't know how to block his haymakers. Tyvm guys. Now I can own him with a clinch, elbows, leg kicks, and hooks/crosses

  68. how do i do the five hit combo fom resident evil 5? you know, i can only shoot my enemies with a magnum so many times.

  69. I loved this video…i was on the bus and this girl 3x my size started pulling my hair while sitting next to me on the bus and i didn't know what to do,my only solution is to punch and now block and?? She is way way bigger than me so i couldnt jabb her eyes or anything!what could i do?

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